22 Jun 2011

Hine Design Concerns Mount, But Not Insurmountable to ANC6B

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At a special call meeting Tuesday night, ANC 6B voted 6-3 to approve a memorandum that development partners Stanton/Eastbanc should make various aesthetic design changes to the  proposed Hine School site, clearing the way for a decision by the Historic Preservation Review Board June 30th on key architectural plans for the square block project.  ANC 6B said its resolution back in April remains its guiding position and supports the project contingent on it, coupled with recommendations about the altered design.

The April resolution called for tweaking of the design, reduction in massing of the above grade structure via increasing subterranean space and hiding or reducing the size of the mechanical rooms, among other things.

Voting against the new memorandum for the project, which encompasses a full square block for the site across from the Eastern Market Metro, the open plaza area, as well as facing the 7th Street, SE, business corridor and the 8th Street and D Street residential areas, were Commissioners Norman Metzger, Kirsten Oldenburg and Dave Garrison.

New recommendations responding to the altered design ranged from increasing the size of creative window surrounds “to include lintels, sill, sashes  and hoods” on the 8th Street Residential Buildings, to a full  reconsideration of the modern, concrete D Street Residential Building structure.  The memorandum cited that structure as too reliant on square geometries and pattern-making and, therefore, not consistent with the area’s aesthetic. The architect, Amy Weinstein of Esocoff & Associates, said she liked a little variety and there was room for a modern flourish.

Additionally, the 7th Street Office Building should be as lively as the storefronts across from it, and the 7th Street and Pennsylvania Office Building should have a reduced penthouse building where the mechanical/cooling systems are located, the ANC6B said, noting that a new design setting it back to reduce size and massing now exposed it to the street-level viewer.

ANC 6B still feels its concerns about the interior courtyard have not been addressed. The Commission strongly supports retention of the interior courtyard as a public space, while plans have it as a private, gated area, and possibly reduce or regrade its size and structure to reduce massing of the building elsewhere.

The HPRB will be considering only the 8th Street Residential Building, the buildings along Pennsylvania Avenue, and the Seventh Street Office buildings on June 30th. The buildings along C Street between 7th and 8th (both north and south sides of the street), and along the plaza will be considered at the July HPRB meeting, according to a note from the Capitol Hill Restoration Society posted on Metzger’s website. Officials had punted on the architectural plans presented in the spring, and HPRB had ho-hummed at an early iteration of the design, with commentary, sending Weinstein back to the drawing board to address concerns that the facade was too Disney-esque. The new version took its cue from terraced housing in Bath, England, as well as revered Victorian blocks of related buildings in historic neighborhoods, from Dupont Circle to Georgetown to Stanton Park to Lincoln Park.

Leonard Hacker, a longtime neighborhood development activist, former ANC commissioner and a historic neighborhood aficionado thinks all the recommended changes do not suffice; an opinion echoed by neighbors at a recent meeting.  “My reaction is simple, they are not representing the wishes of the people that elected them, and that will be taken care of at the next election or possibly a recall petition.” He is dead serious. He and others who spoke forcibly on the issue simply do not think the buildings are aesthetically favorable or compatible with the surrounding buildings, and compatibility is a key component of the  HPRB’s  guidelines. The  proposed buildings, about six stories high, are still too high for him and others.  Hacker noted that all the examples Weinstein presented were  four stories or less, and that the project simply doesn’t comply with many HPRB guidelines.

Meanwhile, at a long meeting unveiling the plans the prior evening at Stanton’s office, a group of neighbors and interested parties spoke loudly and interrupted the presentation multiple times to object to the revised look on the grounds that, despite new use of materials and angles and contours and reductions in height, in some areas it was still too big, too imposing, too monolithic.  It garnered comparisons to old-style government punch cards with the window uniformity, and to Socialist architecture, while even offending the soul, although that was an indirect translation from another tongue.

Some community members struggled to state their feelings about the building in as polite words as they could muster; others did not.

Close-in neighbors, in general, are opposed to  the six-story height of the building, with a seventh housing cooling systems and the like. They argue the building’s size and scope is unprecedented in an historic neighborhood here, no matter how much Weinstein took pains to make it fit in with Victorian features, or add visual interest with masonry sleight of hands and patterns, such as is found on her Home Health Care-tenanted  building on 7th Street SE.  Nor do they like the concrete modern facade of the office abutting 8th and D Streets SE.

Nearby residents worried the Hine building as planned now by Stanton would create a cavern where Eastern Market is, dwarfing their homes and blocking natural light in its massiveness; something that would change the nature of the Eastern Market area “forever.”

Ken Golding, Stanton Corp.’s principal, argued that smart growth calls for density around Metro stops and that he was taking his cue from other projects in other cities calling for “transit-oriented development,” and noted the plan preserves the Flea Market vendors and creates needed density.

The RFP contract with the city requires certain square footage:  if the building is taken down a floor, as neighbors would like, or a gap or passageway created between the frontage on Pennsylvania Ave., SE, space would then have to be created  elsewhere.  This could conceivably mean eating into the courtyard, which raises aesthetic and quality of life issues with future tenants and residents, or by digging further underground, which is costly.

The original proposal accepted back during the Fenty Administration had gross floor area square footage above grade at 427,600 gsf.

As one neighbor fighting the project as proposed said, “there are many twists and turns to this project before we get to financing.” Opposition to the design element is the first major hurdle Stanton/Eastbanc must overcome — there are major zoning variances needed, commitments from major tenants before a loan is given for financing, the PUD process must be faced, traffic light issues need to be sorted out, and the like.

One Hill resident worries that the site will linger if the project falls through, becoming another great Washington, D.C. unused space languishing in the city — or become a bus parking lot.

The project is not due to be completed for several years. The proposal from Stanton-Eastbanc back from 2009 is on Stanton’s website but the timeline formerly there was not  immediately found.

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34 responses to “Hine Design Concerns Mount, But Not Insurmountable to ANC6B”

  1. IMGoph says:

    is something missing at the end of this article? the “one person”, “cl.”, and “hine” lines after a few carriage returns are puzzling.

  2. IMGoph says:

    is something missing at the end of this article? the “one person”, “cl.”, and “hine” lines after a few carriage returns are puzzling.

  3. ShareeLawler says:

    The only thing missing was a keener editorial eye. Its fixed now – thanks for pointing it out.

  4. The only thing missing was a keener editorial eye. Problem fixed — thanks for pointing it out.

  5. I’m a supporter of the increased density and keeping the building 6 or 7 stories – if not for any other reason than we need the density in Capitol Hill – those that oppose the increases in bar/restaurant growth probably should support increased density so we can have enough people to support a diverse mix of retail – I theorize that our still-lower density is why I can’t buy a decent pair of shoes on the Hill/near Eastern Market. Look at Dupont or Georgetown – nice density, lots of people living in the neighborhood…and they have shoe stores!

    Capitol Hill isn’t a suburban community – we should encourage density where it makes sense. The Eastern Market Metro’s nearby Hine site is perfect for this increased-density approach.

    • Anonymous says:

      The issue isn’t the need for additional density. As the Comprehensive Plan notes, “the Hill is already one of the densest communities in the District of Columbia.” Economic studies show that there is plenty of disposable income on the Hill to support additional retail. In fact, there is considerable “leakage” of retail dollars off the Hill (ie we go elsewhere to buy) (see http://www.thehillishome.com/2009/07/whos-on-the-hill/). So we don’t need the additional density to support retail — there are other factors keeping retail off the Hill (like maybe the rents).

  6. I’m a supporter of the increased density and keeping the building 6 or 7 stories – if not for any other reason than we need the density in Capitol Hill – those that oppose the increases in bar/restaurant growth probably should support increased density so we can have enough people to support a diverse mix of retail – I theorize that our still-lower density is why I can’t buy a decent pair of shoes on the Hill/near Eastern Market. Look at Dupont or Georgetown – nice density, lots of people living in the neighborhood…and they have shoe stores!

    Capitol Hill isn’t a suburban community – we should encourage density where it makes sense. The Eastern Market Metro’s nearby Hine site is perfect for this increased-density approach.

    • kpjarboe says:

      The issue isn’t the need for additional density. As the Comprehensive Plan notes, “the Hill is already one of the densest communities in the District of Columbia.” Economic studies show that there is plenty of disposable income on the Hill to support additional retail. In fact, there is considerable “leakage” of retail dollars off the Hill (ie we go elsewhere to buy) (see http://www.thehillishome.com/2009/07/whos-on-the-hill/). So we don’t need the additional density to support retail — there are other factors keeping retail off the Hill (like maybe the rents).

  7. Daniel Garry says:

    Please don’t build some faux Victorian 21st century building. It always looks fake. Build a modern glass building. And make it dense. Eastern Market needs more density and the location across from the metro is perfect for it.

  8. Daniel Garry says:

    Please don’t build some faux Victorian 21st century building. It always looks fake. Build a modern glass building. And make it dense. Eastern Market needs more density and the location across from the metro is perfect for it.

  9. Anonymous says:

    As follow up to Jesse’s comment, let me conduct a quick poll. How many people on the Hill shop for clothes at Union Station? Do you consider the retail stores at Union Station to be part of the Hill?

    • I almost never shop at Union Station. It’s not really walking distance for me, parking is expensive and I can drive to Arlington (where there are more more options) in about the same amount of time and park for a fraction of the cost.

      I don’t think that it’s an issue of disposable income to support retail, it seems to be that there isn’t the foot traffic. That issue should improve with the development of Near Southeast, but Hine is part of it as well. I assume that is why the city’s RFP for this project called for a project that included a mix of office, retail and residential. A proper mix of office space and residential should help with both weekday and weekend foot traffic. It’s not the magic solution but it should help.

  10. kpjarboe says:

    As follow up to Jesse’s comment, let me conduct a quick poll. How many people on the Hill shop for clothes at Union Station? Do you consider the retail stores at Union Station to be part of the Hill?

    • I almost never shop at Union Station. It’s not really walking distance for me, parking is expensive and I can drive to Arlington (where there are more more options) in about the same amount of time and park for a fraction of the cost.

      I don’t think that it’s an issue of disposable income to support retail, it seems to be that there isn’t the foot traffic. That issue should improve with the development of Near Southeast, but Hine is part of it as well. I assume that is why the city’s RFP for this project called for a project that included a mix of office, retail and residential. A proper mix of office space and residential should help with both weekday and weekend foot traffic. It’s not the magic solution but it should help.

  11. I’m with Claudia – there’s just not enough foot traffic, despite Capitol Hill being “dense,” as you say. It’s my experience that there may be two types of residents here – ones drive to buy things and those who bike/walk to buy things. Unlike other neighborhoods, I have a feeling that while dense, we also have a lot of the former. While dense, our density is not bringing foot traffic alongside it, like Dupont Circle does. Thus, we may need to continue adding density until we have regular foot traffic. Look at NY where they have such a high density that they can support food and retail open later and with more diversity.

    We need to increase foot traffic in our retail corridors – we can’t afford to waste an opportunity like the Hine site.

    Oh, and Kenan, no, I don’t shop at Union Station because they have very few casual clothes stores for men. I also think they’re priced for tourists, not the general public. If I need a Mall, I end up at Pentagon City.

  12. I’m with Claudia – there’s just not enough foot traffic, despite Capitol Hill being “dense,” as you say. It’s my experience that there may be two types of residents here – ones drive to buy things and those who bike/walk to buy things. Unlike other neighborhoods, I have a feeling that while dense, we also have a lot of the former. While dense, our density is not bringing foot traffic alongside it, like Dupont Circle does. Thus, we may need to continue adding density until we have regular foot traffic. Look at NY where they have such a high density that they can support food and retail open later and with more diversity.

    We need to increase foot traffic in our retail corridors – we can’t afford to waste an opportunity like the Hine site.

    Oh, and Kenan, no, I don’t shop at Union Station because they have very few casual clothes stores for men. I also think they’re priced for tourists, not the general public. If I need a Mall, I end up at Pentagon City.

  13. Anonymous says:

    Jesse and Claudia make an excellent point about foot traffic. But increasing the residential density of an already underserved area does not necessarily lead to increased retail. Case in point is the high rise developments along Mass Ave between Union Station and Mt. Vernon Square (known by some as the “mediocre mile”) – where there is little retail or foot traffic. And there is foot traffic and there is foot traffic. Residential development tends to add foot traffic on weekends and evening. The area around Eastern Market Metro already has a great deal of evening foot traffic (Barracks Row restaurants) and weekend foot traffic (Eastern Market). None of that foot traffic creates neighborhood service retail however.

    Nor does there have to be nearby residential density to generate foot traffic. Malls work because the density and variety of retail draws the foot traffic.

    Thus, for me the key feature of this mixed used development is getting mixed use part right — i.e. attracting commercial and retail — not how much square feet of residential or the number of floors on 8th Street.

    • Tim krepp says:

      Do malls work, especially in an urban context? Georgetown Park is an empty failure.

      Are you saying there is not a linkage between density and foot traffic? Even a casual one?

      One useful thing for this development will be increasing the daytime foot traffic. As you mention, Ken, we have lots of evening and weekend traffic, but we’re wanting on the weekday front. Adding office space will help that.

    • Tim Krepp says:

      Do malls work, especially in an urban context? Georgetown Park is an empty failure.

      Are you saying there is not a linkage between density and foot traffic? Even a casual one?

      One useful thing for this development will be increasing the daytime foot traffic. As you mention, Ken, we have lots of evening and weekend traffic, but we’re wanting on the weekday front. Adding office space will help that.

  14. Anonymous says:

    Jesse and Claudia make an excellent point about foot traffic. But increasing the residential density of an already underserved area does not necessarily lead to increased retail. Case in point is the high rise developments along Mass Ave between Union Station and Mt. Vernon Square (known by some as the “mediocre mile”) – where there is little retail or foot traffic. And there is foot traffic and there is foot traffic. Residential development tends to add foot traffic on weekends and evening. The area around Eastern Market Metro already has a great deal of evening foot traffic (Barracks Row restaurants) and weekend foot traffic (Eastern Market). None of that foot traffic creates neighborhood service retail however.

    Nor does there have to be nearby residential density to generate foot traffic. Malls work because the density and variety of retail draws the foot traffic.

    Thus, for me the key feature of this mixed used development is getting mixed use part right — i.e. attracting commercial and retail — not how much square feet of residential or the number of floors on 8th Street.

  15. Anonymous says:

    Tim — your comment on the office space is exactly my point of getting the mixed use part of this mixed use development. My comment on Malls was not to suggest that they necessarily work in an urban setting — although Union Station seems to work as a shopping mall (the problem with Georgetown Park seem to me is that it has to compete with a lively street scene). My comment was more about the synergistic effect of retail. At some magic point, retail creates its own foot traffic regardless of the residential density around it. That is what is happening on Barracks Row with the restaurants. We need to figure out how to do it with retail as well. We have enough residential density already to do it.

    • Alex Block says:

      But more residential density should always be welcome. No reason not to have it – good cities and urban environments thrive on density.

  16. kpjarboe says:

    Tim — your comment on the office space is exactly my point of getting the mixed use part of this mixed use development. My comment on Malls was not to suggest that they necessarily work in an urban setting — although Union Station seems to work as a shopping mall (the problem with Georgetown Park seem to me is that it has to compete with a lively street scene). My comment was more about the synergistic effect of retail. At some magic point, retail creates its own foot traffic regardless of the residential density around it. That is what is happening on Barracks Row with the restaurants. We need to figure out how to do it with retail as well. We have enough residential density already to do it.

  17. Anonymous says:

    Alex — this is where we fundamentally disagree. Density for the sake of density is not a sustainable goal. More is not always better. Good urban environments thrive on a sustainable level of density — a level that retains the look and feel of a neighborhood.
    Granted, that level varies from person to person — which is why we end up with different neighborhoods. While some may like the density level of a mid-town Manhattan, it is not appropriate for every neighborhood. In the case of Capitol Hill, I think we got the density just about right.
    Ken

  18. Anonymous says:

    Alex — this is where we fundamentally disagree. Density for the sake of density is not a sustainable goal. More is not always better. Good urban environments thrive on a sustainable level of density — a level that retains the look and feel of a neighborhood.
    Granted, that level varies from person to person — which is why we end up with different neighborhoods. While some may like the density level of a mid-town Manhattan, it is not appropriate for every neighborhood. In the case of Capitol Hill, I think we got the density just about right.
    Ken

  19. Anonymous says:

    6 stories at a minimum! It’s right next to a metro stop, I would like to see a taller building actually.

  20. HStreetLandlord says:

    6 stories at a minimum! It’s right next to a metro stop, I would like to see a taller building actually.

  21. Anonymous says:

    Update–The Historic Preservation Review Board approved the Stanton-Eastbanc design for major elements, many contested by immediate neighbors, of Weinstein’s architectural plans at its June 30th meeting. Two interested parties said it was 6-0, /unanimous, although I haven’t been able to confirm over holiday weekend. Next up is the July 28th hearing and decision before HPRB on the remaining design elements and landscape. Assuming that also passes, Stanton expects to submit its PUD filing documents /zoning this fall, with approval expected (by Stanton) in the spring of 2012. Demolition/Construction wouldn’t be for another 2 years, and completion 2 years after that (spring 2015). Hine was closed in 2007. Back when the developer chosen by the Fenty administration was announced, in 2009, there were articles reporting the developers could break ground as soon as 2011.

  22. LizFesta says:

    Update–The Historic Preservation Review Board approved the Stanton-Eastbanc design for major elements, many contested by immediate neighbors, of Weinstein’s architectural plans at its June 30th meeting. Two interested parties said it was 6-0, /unanimous, although I haven’t been able to confirm over holiday weekend. Next up is the July 28th hearing and decision before HPRB on the remaining design elements and landscape. Assuming that also passes, Stanton expects to submit its PUD filing documents /zoning this fall, with approval expected (by Stanton) in the spring of 2012. Demolition/Construction wouldn’t be for another 2 years, and completion 2 years after that (spring 2015). Hine was closed in 2007. Back when the developer chosen by the Fenty administration was announced, in 2009, there were articles reporting the developers could break ground as soon as 2011.

  23. Anonymous says:

    Oh, moments later, got this note from Historic Preservation, in case anyone was waiting with baited breath this July 4th weekend:
    “Yes, it was a 6-0 vote to support a Board motion approving the height, massing, and density, taking into account Board and staff comments. The Board only reviewed a portion of the project (8th Street, Pennsylvania Avenue, and part of 7th Street) at the June meeting. Hine will come back again at the July HPRB meeting for the north residential building, the plaza building, and landscaping.”

  24. Anonymous says:

    Oh, moments later, got this note from Historic Preservation, in case anyone was waiting with baited breath this July 4th weekend:
    “Yes, it was a 6-0 vote to support a Board motion approving the height, massing, and density, taking into account Board and staff comments. The Board only reviewed a portion of the project (8th Street, Pennsylvania Avenue, and part of 7th Street) at the June meeting. Hine will come back again at the July HPRB meeting for the north residential building, the plaza building, and landscaping.”

  25. Anonymous says:

    Oh, moments later, got this note from Historic Preservation, in case anyone was waiting with baited breath this July 4th weekend:
    “Yes, it was a 6-0 vote to support a Board motion approving the height, massing, and density, taking into account Board and staff comments. The Board only reviewed a portion of the project (8th Street, Pennsylvania Avenue, and part of 7th Street) at the June meeting. Hine will come back again at the July HPRB meeting for the north residential building, the plaza building, and landscaping.”

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